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 Posted - Oct 04 2006 : 17:16:43
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Hello
I am a french private collector and owner of a drawing of Vincent Van Gogh by A.Hirschig dated 90 .it's a mixed media work on paper ( charcoal + ink wash + pencil ) dims w 23 x h 30 cm . This drawing on white brown paper from a drawing book is signed bottom left A.Hirschig with a date 90 ( for 1890 I suppose ) and indicates bottom right VINCENT V.GOCH ( in dutch the prononciation vangogh or van cogh is the same ) This portrait has apparently been made in 1890 by anton Hirschig the dutch painter who rented a room near vincent's one in Auvers by chez Ravoux 3 months before Vincent's death . The VGM after enquiry has said that this drawing is not from the hand of Vincent ( me I think that Vincent has seen and corrected this portrait .. the white hatchings...) and the 2 french experts who have seen this drawing in hands have contradictory opinion ( is it van gogh pictured ? one says yes the other it could be ) ) but what is sure it is that it's not a fake ( analysis of the paper and drawing ) Let me know your opinion . At yr disposal for any further information
best regards
People interested for any further info can contact me
pfb2nantes@aol.com
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rinpoche
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Posted - Dec 25 2007 : 20:24:02
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I am a great-nephew of Anton Hirschig and the signature looks good to me.
It's a pity your post represents the inscription as 'Vincent van Cogh' because 'Cogh' would be hard to explain. In fact it's 'Vincent van Goch' and 'Goch' tends to support rather than detract from authenticity because 'Gogh' is an archaic spelling and Anton would have had no reason to know that Vincent used it since Vincent was unknown at the time and of course famously signed his paintings simply 'Vincent'.
The web pages http://www.meertens.nl/nfd/detail_naam.php?naam=Gogh,%20van and http://www.meertens.nl/nfd/detail_naam.php?naam=Goch,%20van list 547 instances of 'van Gogh' and 266 instances of 'van Goch' in the 1947 census following a North-South divide. Vincent was South (Zundert), while Anton was North (Amsterdam). Explained.
For the unitiated curious Gogh, which most accurately is spelt 'Gog' (452 instances in 1947 census), is pronounced with the first 'g' as the characteristic slushy soft g of Dutch similar to Scots 'ch' of 'loch' but weaker and not throated, the 'o' is English 'pot' but rather more open and the final g is again characteristically Dutch (example 'deeg' = 'dough') and in this position is a full throated 'ch' as in Scots 'loch'. The consonantal combination 'gh' is archaic and survives mainly indeed in Van Gogh and Breughel (cf B. M. Donaldson's 'A Dutch Reference Grammar'). Without making a detailed investigation I imagine it originated with the Norman scribes in the same way as the troublesome English 'ough' suffix does.
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saintluc
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Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 02:53:36
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I had found your post of september 2006 but had no real constructive answer to give, but there is a question : why such an important document is not known for decades and at least since the date Vincent'life and dead are studied in detail?
I know there is a new photo of Vincent just found in the year 1990 but the question was "who is on the photo"?.
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rinpoche
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Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 06:53:11
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Further to my post above it's worth remarking that the signature is just 'Hirschig' and this leaves open the possibility that the drawing was not by Anton but rather by his brother Jacob (1871 - 1951) who is listed in Scheen's 'Lexicon Nederlandse Beeldende Kunstenaars 1750' as an amateurschilder i.e. an amateur painter.
Within the bounds of possibility Jacob (at the age of 19) may have visited Anton in Auvers and made a sketch of Vincent.
Jacob died in Nice but I don't know when he arrived there.
The single sketch we have in the family which we think might be Jacob's is a very simple and delicate view of a mill over fields and I'm not sure on the evidence of that that he could possibly have produced the rather overworked (or so it seems to me) sketch of Vincent under discussion
Regarding the signature of the Vincent sketch, although I say it looks good there is an issue with the 'r' which is set separately and is plainly curious.
Regarding Scheen's 'Lexicon' his entry for Anton appears to confuse him with his sister Antonia and represents him (her) as first mounting an exhibition at the age of 13! I've noticed at least two paintings catalogued on the internet attributed to 'Antonia' which I imagine must be Anton's (or conceivably Jacob's). I did once visit Antonia (or possibly another sister Anna) as a boy but don't remember her ever described as a painter, which surely I would have done as Anton's story enchanted me.
Finally it might be worth remarking that Anton was rather dismissive of Vincent. In his recollections of Vincent to Dr. Bredius published in the journal 'Oud Holland' in 1934 he remarked that everything about him was 'frightful', apparently offended even at the last by the sin of decomposition and a leaky coffin ...
Incidentally if anyone looking in has a copy of that they can send me do please get in touch. I should much like to see it.
I copy the Scheen entry for Anton(ia) Hirschig below. This is from the 1969 edition - it may have been revised since.
"Hirschig, Matthia Antonia ('Tony'); geb. Den Haag 20 augustus 1877, overl. Baarn 4 juni 1961. Huwde 30-8-1900 in Den Haag met B. M. Molewater de la Rive Box. Zuster van Jacob Hirschig. Woonde en werkte in Den Haag, Franrijk ca. 1890, Renkum tot 1895, Den Haag tot 1898, Amsterdam, Den Haag, Brussel tot 1903, Amsterdam tot 1919, daarna in Den Haag. Schilderde en tekende diverse onderwerpen. Tentoonstellingen Arnhem and Den Haag 1890 en Amsterdam 1903: landschappen; de Scheveningseweg; landschap in Drenthe; liefde in de duinen; enz. Haags Gemeentesmuseum: portret van een jonge man, 1912"
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"Hirschig, Matthia Antonia ('Tony'); born The Hague 20 August 1877, died Baarn 4 June1961. Married 30-8-1900 in The Hague to B. M. Molewater de la Rive Box. Sister of Jacob Hirschig. Lived and worked in The Hague, France ca. 1890, Renkum to 1895, The Hague to 1898, Amsterdam, The Hague, Brussels to1903, Amsterdam to 1919, after that The Hague. Painted and drew various subjects. Exhibitions Arnhem and The Hague 1890 and Amsterdam 1903: landscapes; road to Scheveningsen; landscape of Drenthe; love in the dunes;etc. The Hague Municipal Museum: portrait of a young man, 1912"]
The portrait in the Hague Municipal Museum was part of the Bredius bequest to the Dutch nation. Perhaps this is the portrait of the schoolmaster mentioned in one of Vincent's two references to Anton in his letters?
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