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cathammer
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Posted - Mar 19 2016 :  23:31:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My original topic post seems to have been accidentally (I hope) deleted along with the recent deluge of junk posts. Reposting it below in the hope that some will feel free to comment on any part of what I've researched so far, or offer advice on how/where to pursue further knowledge.

Previous post, with small edits:

Would appreciate the opinions of you (with more knowledge than I) on what I have here:
http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/cathammer/library/Rembrandt
The yellow tint on the left in some pics is from a light source in that direction, not on the paper, although the papers have a uniform (not foxed) light tan shading.

I Recently purchased the two etchings, "The Return of the Prodigal Son", and "Beggars Receiving Alms at the Door of a House", along with a copy of the spring 1929 French art review "Byblis": miroir des arts du livre et de l'estampe , which normally included a selection of original prints as well as copies in its issues. The seller (French) had a few copies of the Byblis (with the original prints removed, but the heliograph copies, also on individual sheets, still inserted), and he included one of them for a few more dollars. It was printed in quarto, and the pages are still uncut. I bought the "Prodigal" print shown, and was subsequently offered the "Beggars", and a Byblis copy before he mailed the print.

From what research I have done online, I have found no reason to doubt that these are prints pulled from the original Rembrandt plates for this issue of Byblis in 1929, and I think I got a very good deal, if so (is it considered gauche to state actual purchase prices in this forum?). The"Prodigal" seems to be from the standard edition (of 500), and the "Beggars" from the deluxe (a printing of 105, marked 1-100, and A-E). The "Beggars" has a deeper plate impression; the"Prodigal", a fairly shallow one.

Here are a few of the places I've found information:
http://originalprints.com/printview.php?id=28493
https://en.amorosart.com/portail.php?mode=oeuvre&autre01=rembrandt&autre02=the_return_of_the_prodigal_son&id=48918&lang=en
https://en.amorosart.com/artwork-rembrandt-beggars_receiving_alms_at_the_door_of_a_house-48917-en.html
mid-page: http://www.printsandprinciples.com/2012/08/rembrandt-courtry-chauvel-passion-in.html

The "Prodigal" seems easiest to identify, as it appears to have been restored to something like the fourth state (shadow on step at left, etc.) , if this offering is correct:http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult.aspx?PK_Resultat=4228814 , or second, if this one: http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--rembrandt-rembrandt-harmensz-v-the-return-of-the-prodigal-son-3859697.htm ,but trimmed a bit on the top and left (maybe reconditioned for the Byblis prints?). This matches what I've found so far on the Byblis printing, seems to be unique to it, and is definitely not the state copied by Durand, or most other reproductions, as far as I can tell. It appears to match this one: http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--rembrandt-rembrandt-harmensz-v-the-return-of-the-prodigal-son-2886840.htm

The "Beggars" has a small errant line slanting upward from left to right (near the right edge, about an inch below the top) that seems to appear only on the Byblis prints. http://www.printsandprinciples.com/2012/04/rembrandt-commas-and-full-stops.html

So, putting aside the argument over whether any print pulled after the artist's lifetime is an "original", what say you? Any opinions or extra info would be greatly appreciated. Let me know if you would like other photos.

Thanks Much!

Edited by - cathammer on Jan 11 2018 03:17:03

pfbnantes
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Posted - Jun 25 2016 :  04:06:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hello
find this hope you will find some interest :

http://www.christies.com/features/Alexander-Massouras-demonstrates-how-Rembrandt-made-his-greatest-works-7517-3.aspx?sc_lang=en&cid=EM_EMLcontent0414452B_2
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cathammer
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Posted - Jan 07 2018 :  03:58:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Belated thanks, pfbnantes.
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Vietato
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Denmark
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Posted - Jan 07 2018 :  12:05:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is difficult to get replies to such difficult (end lengthy) matters with a lot of arguments to take into account. I have had similar Rembrandt topics myself.

I will just say that this one (which you think matches):
http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--rembrandt-rembrandt-harmensz-v-the-return-of-the-prodigal-son-2886840.htm
is not the same. It is a first state print and thus a lot more valuable.
[EDIT: The topic referred to at the end of this post actually finds that it is a later (4th) state, but it was sold as a first state print]

Here it is from Swann Auction Galleries' own site:
http://catalogue.swanngalleries.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=2245++++++98+&refno=++646210&saletype=

I think that prints from this 1929 edition will be in the lowest price range, but how much exactly I don't know. You would have to find results with specific reference to this edition.

Maybe my own topic about "the return of the prodigal son" will be of interest to you:
http://forum.findartinfo.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8532&SearchTerms=prodigal,son

Regards,
Vietato


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cathammer
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Posted - Jan 10 2018 :  16:35:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for that, Vietato! I've briefly reviewed your information a bit, but plan to do so more thoroughly, including reading the "Cult of Rembrandt" book. One question: In your 2011 forum topic, http://forum.findartinfo.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8532&SearchTerms=prodigal,son , the link (in your first post) to your copy of the print is no longer valid https://picasaweb.google.com/vialarus/RembrandtTheReturnOfTheProdigalSon?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMymp9nmxYKrKA&feat=directlink . Is the link that you posted later http://forum.findartinfo.com/load_attachment.exe.asp?id=19079 your same print being discussed in the topic?

At this point, I'm satisfied that my print(s) are from the 1929 Byblis/Jacquemin printing, and I'm quite happy with that, for several reasons.

As you say, the copy sold by Swann on April 28, 2011 http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--rembrandt-rembrandt-harmensz-v-the-return-of-the-prodigal-son-2886840.htm , is obviously not the first state, but I think it could well be from that same 1929 printing (making it even more mis-attributed?). The reason I think that may be so, is that it shows a change on which there seems to be little to no information or discussion...that is, the plate itself appears to have been trimmed, at some point, along the top and left edges.

Note that in the British Museum copy of Basan's 1810 rework (per hercules brabazon in a post on your topic) http://www.britishmuseum.org/collectionimages/AN01033/AN01033256_001_l.jpg the shadow on the step has been added (restored?), but the impression of the plate edge is still outside the etched lines of the print. Your copy shares that condition. In the 1929 print http://www.originalprints.com/printview.php?dx=3&page=1&id=28493&sid=ca19ec3e663c612d84ac2fd24fc545c8 , the top edge of the plate impression now intersects the tip of the interior shadow in the window where the mother peers out, and the left plate edge now touches the left sides of the arch and the steps. That matches the 2011 Swann sale.

I was in Amsterdam this past summer, and since the "Prodigal" plate is now in the possession of the Rembrandthuis, I had hoped that it might be on display or otherwise available to view, but it was not. Staff on hand couldn't supply any information and seemed to be just there to sell tickets and mind the gift shop. Constraints of time and traveling companions limited my pursuit of more information.

So, still lots of mysteries. Are the step shadows a Basan invention (why?) or a restoration of an earlier state?...When, why, and by whom were the plates trimmed?...Does that create a "new" state?...Just how many states are there, really, and what are they?... Will we ever know for sure? Perhaps it wouldn't be any fun if we did.

Thank you again, V.
Cheers,
William L.

Edited by - cathammer on Jan 10 2018 16:50:44
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Vietato
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Denmark
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Posted - Jan 10 2018 :  17:21:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have great respect for the way you investigate the matter,William!

I have changed the link that didn't work to a new album with all the photos. The last one is the page from Nowell-Usticke's catalogue, which has estimated prices also (in the 1980s, as I recall).

And yes:
http://forum.findartinfo.com/load_attachment.exe.asp?id=19079
is my copy, with annotations, also in the album now.

Regards,
Vietato

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cathammer
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Posted - Jan 15 2018 :  22:55:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You're too kind, Vietato; I'm only trying to put a few pieces of a puzzle together, with help from knowledgeable people like you. Thankfully, the same internet technology that brings us the art scamsters also gives us the tools and connections we need to improve our own abilities to learn and evaluate.
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