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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 26 2018 :  01:12:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
purchased this one while ago, can not find signature, if any thoughts on this one, please comment
thank you again



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arb
Senior Member

Netherlands
803 Posts

Posted - Mar 26 2018 :  09:54:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

These strikingly bright colours are either a characteristic of American art unfamiliar to me, or a recent addition or - far worse than that - the symptom of an oleograph finished by hand. You may inspect the canvas' brim to look for any signs of paper between the varnish and the textile.

There must be a specific narrative to this image, a once commonly known story that might well have given rise to popular prints. Which, in their turn, could be glued to panel or linen and made into mock-paintings: oleographs. Hope I'm wrong.
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2018 :  16:00:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thank you arb for you input
it is definitely oil painting, I would agree with you on American art origin.
thank you again arb for taking you time and replying to my post
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Job
Junior Member

United Kingdom
123 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2018 :  17:32:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One can see things much more clearly in real life, so impressions from a photograph aren't a certainty, but your picture there really doesn't look quite right to me either. It isn't just an issue of the odd luridly bright blue, it's the very simplistic nature of the colouring too. It's exactly the same blue used repeatedly, the same yellow etc, where it isn't the colour (applied paint) that looks as if its defining detail (as it should) but rather the different colours look like decoration over detail that's already there. Hence it looks more coloured than painted. And that disparity between the apparent detail and the simplistic colouring just doesn't look congruent. I've quickly looked at a few pictures of the likes of John Lewis Krimmel, though, and there are some similarities re the simplicity and re the reflection of the same tones, and someone painting similar scenes would likely be following in that style. And although I'm not familiar with how common the "F" is on a sack of flour like that, you do effectively have an "F F" there.

It might just be the photo, but for the record, I can't see the craquelure that one should expect to see either.

How really sure are you that that's an oil? Have you tried just simply tapping the surface with your finger tips? If there is paper in there, you can hear the difference in the sound.

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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 27 2018 :  19:11:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for you valued opinion Job
Yes Im 100% sure it is oil on canvas also I think colors on uploaded picture are little different from original, possibly the light reflection, originally painting is darker. the craquelure its visible all over the painting. Im trying to upload some more pictures of close ups & back of the painting, but for some reason it will not let me, I will try again asap
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 28 2018 :  16:27:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
just added some extra pictures, pls let me know what do you think
there was some work done on the right side of the canvas, some extra canvas added for reinforcement
thank you



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rmart11643@aol.com
Starting Member

USA
10 Posts

Posted - Mar 28 2018 :  16:51:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the back looks too old. but the front not.
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 29 2018 :  12:53:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
one more picture, also canvas is attached with square nails, does anyone knows in what period of time did they use this kind of nails ?
thanks for all opinions



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saintluc
Gold Member

France
1857 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  03:47:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please, what do you mean with "large painting" in your title? What is the exact size? Could it be 13,98 in X 20,87 in?
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arb
Senior Member

Netherlands
803 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  06:04:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Saintluc, you artfull oracle, have you been peeping in Stephenson's May 2014 catalogue?
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  14:28:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
good morning Saintluc & how are you
I always respected & admired your opinion & expertise on this forum, to me you are one of the best & knowledgeable member on this site, you where always very helpful & professional to me & other members of this forum, so please imagine my surprise when you responded to my post with insult & disrespect.
Responding to your question...yes it is large painting aprox 30 inches x 24 inches (see attached photos) & no I did not fabricated measuring tape, the tape is original, I bought it at Home Depot



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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  15:02:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
arb I have no idea or clue, how is you post related to my painting, for some reason you are very secretive with you opinions, you like to show this forum that you know a lot but you are not going to reveal the full secret or the full information you possess, let me help you here little bit...there is still some people buying artwork from dealers galleries & auction houses, not only thrift stores & garage sales (nothing wrong with this at all I do it all the time) so to answer you secretive post....YES I purchased this painting at Stephensons in May 2014 but please dont tell anyone I want this as a TOP SECRET
have a great day
quote:
Originally posted by arb

Saintluc, you artfull oracle, have you been peeping in Stephenson's May 2014 catalogue?

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saintluc
Gold Member

France
1857 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  15:05:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
????????????????????????????
arb: No, I have overtaken Stepenson's and this auction that P/K/S did'nt judge usefull to quote. Since the photo of Stephenson's shows the same frame, it is sure that this painting is from the said auction and I would'nt need to ask about the size with the catalogue on my desk. In fact, I had followed the tracks and I am on an auction of 2005 with no photo but a painting with title and comments that suit (as we say in french) "comme un gant" (like a glove) to this painting. The real size out of frame, and not "aprox" would have made a serious clue.
But everybody here will understand that at this hour I have suddenly lost all interest in this case, except for my personnal knowledge.
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  15:26:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
saintluc, did my pictures with measuring tape uploaded clearly ?
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Vietato
Gold Member

Denmark
1939 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  17:19:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
P/K/S:
saintluc did not respond with "insult and disrespect".
He asked for the size, and then suggested a size!

The suggested size was from a find in a 2005 auction, as saintluc explains in his reply. That you perceive that as an attack on you makes no sense at all.

Earlier the forum was more strict in requiring that all information about an artwork was provided right from the start. You should not have to ask about such things.

And BTW, the measures of a painting, as used in a catalogue, is the measure of the stretcher, not the inside (or outside!) of the frame. You should measure it at the back.

Regards,
Vietato

PS: saintluc tells you he is not coming back to this topic after your tirade against him.

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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  18:38:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vietato, I did not tirade saintluc in anyway, when he asked & suggested the size of 13,98 in X 20,87 in...I felt that he is making fun of me & I took it as an insult, that is all to it, no conspiracy theory, no intent to tirade, only expressed my feelings.
BTW I did measured this painting like many other ones, at the stretcher, pictures I included show front of the painting just for precautions of not being accused of showing back of different painting :)
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Vietato
Gold Member

Denmark
1939 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  19:02:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I forgot to mention that "13,98 in X 20,87 in" would be converted from "35,5 x 53 cm" just for your convenience!

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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Apr 12 2018 :  19:12:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thank you Vietato
so, saintluc gave measurements in cm & then he converted to inches? if yes, that would explain this very strange number
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arb
Senior Member

Netherlands
803 Posts

Posted - Apr 13 2018 :  06:30:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

quote:
Originally posted by P/K/S

I felt that he is making fun of me & I took it as an insult


Saintluc's humorous post is the nicest reaction you can hope for if you withhold us the auctioneers' expertise and cause us to waste research and knowledge on questions long answered. So don't bore us pretending to feel insulted. You feel found out. Deal with it.
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 23 2020 :  16:02:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by arb


quote:
Originally posted by P/K/S

I felt that he is making fun of me & I took it as an insult


Saintluc's humorous post is the nicest reaction you can hope for if you withhold us the auctioneers' expertise and cause us to waste research and knowledge on questions long answered. So don't bore us pretending to feel insulted. You feel found out. Deal with it.


another freaky and insulting post by WANNA BE EXPERT ARB, he specialize in kissing buts of reputable members of this forum and thinks that this will make him an art expert, this ignorant bully dont know what is he talking about, his comments are completely out of this world, he become senior member basically by trolling, we had a very nice very professional forum before this "expert' joined, members respected each other and then this bully pops out with his trolls, insults and junkie comments
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SYLWESTER
New Member

22 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2020 :  14:03:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,probably that is West Europe painting ,circa +/- 1850 ,look on the head of man holding the riffle ,hair style is typicly for Napoleon's Bonaparte(no joke) probably France,Netherlands or England.
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Vietato
Gold Member

Denmark
1939 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2020 :  14:40:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by P/K/S
we had a very nice very professional forum before this "expert' joined, members respected each other and then this bully pops out with his trolls, insults and junkie comments



For the record: arb was a member of the forum more than three years before you joined! He is also one of the very few true art professionals left (i.e. still active) on the forum.

That being said, I think this topic was messed up by a series of misunderstandings. I didn't get arb's comment about you being 'found out', but there was some discontent that you didn't reveal the information you already had from the auctioneer (that it was an American painting).

Regards,
Vietato

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jhomejimbo
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Posted - Mar 24 2020 :  16:40:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am only concerned with artworks of the owners, not with the owners' personalities. That is why, at the end of every investigation, only the true facts, about the painting, determine it's authentic nature, and, ultimately, it's value.

When personalities get entangled amongst truthful assessments of a painting or sculpture, the discussion resorts to the value of the responder, rather than the value of the artwork. I have relied on the long-term stability of the more involved (and stable) members of the forum. Take 'arb', for example. He has proved, by being correct so many times more than being incorrect, that he is to be listened to, and appreciated for his knowledge. If you disagree with his retorts, simple ignore.

Sometimes the raw true is hard to accept. And, sometimes, we react, defensively, and with haste.

I enjoy the 'forum', because it tends to, quickly, sort the true from the false, the weak from the strong, the negative from the positive, and the fair from those who have an agenda.

Let's all have fun with the forum - that is the intent. Aren't we all art lovers?

Stay healthy!

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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2020 :  17:25:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I joined about the same time in 2007 under PKS then I lost my password, requested help from Admin and could not get any help with resetting it, so I opened another account, possibly I put it in the wrong way, I noticed arb comments much later (right way to put it) I guess when he realized that he can get away with insults and bully, this is very unique forum, people are afraid of having their own opinions and god forbid different from experts opinion, most of members here including me hoping that they have a million dollars art work and by nature they are afraid of messing and screwing with an art experts on this forum, when I asked about his strange comment on this topic he insulted me and tried to discredit me calling me a liar and dishonest person, therefore Im not afraid to say that he is not an expert, he is a bully and just a regular troll
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P/K/S
Junior Member

USA
183 Posts

Posted - Mar 24 2020 :  18:02:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by jhomejimbo

I am only concerned with artworks of the owners, not with the owners' personalities. That is why, at the end of every investigation, only the true facts, about the painting, determine it's authentic nature, and, ultimately, it's value.

When personalities get entangled amongst truthful assessments of a painting or sculpture, the discussion resorts to the value of the responder, rather than the value of the artwork. I have relied on the long-term stability of the more involved (and stable) members of the forum. Take 'arb', for example. He has proved, by being correct so many times more than being incorrect, that he is to be listened to, and appreciated for his knowledge. If you disagree with his retorts, simple ignore.

Sometimes the raw true is hard to accept. And, sometimes, we react, defensively, and with haste.

I enjoy the 'forum', because it tends to, quickly, sort the true from the false, the weak from the strong, the negative from the positive, and the fair from those who have an agenda.

Let's all have fun with the forum - that is the intent. Aren't we all art lovers?

Stay healthy!

Jimmy N

so Jimmy, if I accuse you without any proof, that on you last painting you just post it, you and only you on purpose fraudulently put the famous restoration firm label on that painting, to gain provenance and value of this painting, how would you feel about it ? I joined this forum for the same reason like you, but to have some prejudiced trolls calling you a liar ? please check this topic, and see his stupid remarks
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