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NGLeR
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Posted - Aug 17 2019 :  13:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greetings to the forum

When painting in conjunction with other artists or, in particular, his Studio, did all participants sign the work if, indeed, it was signed.

I would be grateful for any information that the members of this forum can impart and look forward to your responses.

Thank you

Neil

arb
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Netherlands
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Posted - Aug 18 2019 :  16:09:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which Jan Breughel do you mean?

Rather little is known about the collaboration in the Breughel studio's and the others where they themselves collaborated. But examples are known with signatures of several artists in the sense you describe, for instance the Portrait of Nicolaas de Man, signed by all three
Jan Breughel the Younger, Jan Thomas van Yperen, Lucas van Uden

http://www.artnet.de/k%C3%BCnstler/jan-breughel-the-younger-jan-thomas-van-yperen-lucas-van-uden/portrait-of-nicolaas-de-man-in-the-grounds-of-his-1aPcFp6WB_tMkM7LYCRnDg2



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NGLeR
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Posted - Aug 19 2019 :  09:20:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Arb

Thanks for the response. I was referring to Jan Brueghel the Younger.

Many years ago I purchased a painting described as 'after' Brueghel. The institution that I purchased the painting from did not specialise in art but, rather, antiques in general and, on this basis and, liking what I saw, I purchased the painting.

As stated, in my previous post, I have now had some time on my hands which has enabled me to go through my collection. I took a closer look at the painting and noticed that the right hand corner was crowded with what appeared to be signatures. Furthermore Brueghel's name also appears, the U in his name in the form of a V. It would appear that there is some sort of title scrawled across the bottom of the painting. Unfortunately when I photographed the painting, many years ago, I was unable to get any great shots therefore I have had to make do by tweaking the image with the use of Irfanview. The results have only teased the brain with possibilities and, hopefully, not created fictional characters.

As soon as I am able I would like to have the painting examiner professionally.

Thank you for your contribution

Regards

Neil
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NGLeR
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Posted - Aug 22 2019 :  07:45:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Having sifted through a minefield of Brueghels I have come to the conclusion that the painting is more in line with the work of Pieter Brueghel the Younger.

The painting in my possession is on relined canvas whereas Pieter Brueghel the Younger painted on panels.

Revellers are lounging around outside a tavern, with the sun rising in the background, following what was, no doubt, an all night binge.

I will upload the image but, as stated before, image quality is not good.

Regards

Neil



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arb
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Posted - Aug 23 2019 :  06:03:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NGLeR

I have come to the conclusion that the painting is more in line with the work of Pieter Brueghel the Younger. The painting in my possession is on relined canvas whereas Pieter Brueghel the Younger painted on panels.






I don't quite follow: it is a PB2 because PB2 painted panels and yours is canvas?

Checking Artprice sales (free of charge) you'll find JB2 painted 52 canvasses against 550 panels/copperplates and PB2 16 canvasses against 350 panels.

A non-religious Breughel with so few people would be a JB2, but the artistic quality of the sky, trees and houses is weak. The scene itself is not breughelesque, rather more like Teniers. Mind you: copies, pastiches etc of the Breughels' works are maybe a hundred times as numerous as authentic works. And more often than not on canvas.

We could have a look at the annotations though. That might shed some light.
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NGLeR
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Posted - Aug 25 2019 :  11:38:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Arb

Yes, as I stated, ´the painting is MORE IN LINE WITH the work of PIETER BRUEGHEL the Younger. ´

and yes, I checked Artvalue ( which is also free ) which is why I said

´The painting in my possession is on relined canvas whereas PIETER BRUEGHEL the Younger painted on panels.´

and

´Brueghel's name also appears` and not Teniers

and finally

`As soon as I am able I would like to have the painting examined
professionally.´ because I am fully aware that it may be a fake, the reason for asking for answers on this forum, in order to try and establish authenticity, in the first instance.

Regards


Neil

Edited by - NGLeR on Aug 25 2019 12:05:24
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