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shawnster
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Posted - Nov 06 2019 :  23:47:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi to all and thx for looking . Who owns this plate and number of prints , I know this Is a broad question but any impute would be much appreciated.I have this etching and itís more refined then the one at the and so since no are numbered , I donít know which pull this one is and there are no publishing names at the bottom.

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Vietato
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  07:02:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You left out the reference here:
"I have this etching and itís more refined then the one at the"

Did you mean "Three Mile Harbor", Long Island?

There is a photo gravure after a painting
https://www.ebay.com/itm/THOMAS-MORAN-Antique-XRare-19thC-1889-Gravure-THREE-MILE-HARBOR-Long-Island-NY-/143200196710
and this original etching:
https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/1426398

You could ask the museum, if they have any knowledge about the whereabouts of the plate, but it is quite normal that the lines in the plate will deteriorate over time, so that an early print will have more details than a later one. That is if a lot of prints have been made from a plate, or if the plate material is soft.

A plate for a valuable print might also be "worked over" later to enhance the imprints, as is the case with the plates from Rembrandt, for instance.

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Vietato


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shawnster
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  09:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Vietato and thanks for your time the reference is the Glicease Museum and it is the three mile island ,which is etched in the plate. I will contact the museum.Now as Iím looking at it , canít tell if itís a Photogravure or original etching.The second one is of mine and the first one is of the Gilcrease image ,which they call the rainbow


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Vietato
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  10:12:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/1426414a-p
For accuracy: the title given is The Rainbow, and it is inscribed Three Mile Harbor (reversed) in the plate. To the right of this inscription it is dated L I 1880 (reversed), probably meaning Long Island, and to the left it has a monogram TM.

Is is an original etching, which can be seen from the needle work. It's like a drawing, whereas a photogravure is more like: a photograph.

I think the museum's copy will look as detailed as yours in a high resolution picture.

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shawnster
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  10:19:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the clarification and info Vietato,I donít know where I got the mile island , btw I took a closer look and if would have payed attention I would have seen harbor .Thx again and excuse my ignorance.

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Vietato
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  10:31:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you might have edited your post above mine, while I was writing it. I wasn't aware that the first photo was the one from the museum.

Now I think that your etching is from an earlier state than the one from Gilcrease Museum. The latter has some lines added to the water surface to the left - a mirror image of the hill and trees. Probably the trees (and other parts) have been reworked to create a darker, and less detailed, impression.

It is very common for etchings to be printed in different states of the plate. And mostly there will be fewer copies of an early state.

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Vietato

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shawnster
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Posted - Nov 07 2019 :  10:47:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thx again Vietato, your knowledge and time are highly valued !
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