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jenndk
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Posted - May 17 2008 :  14:47:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not quite sure what this is a lithograph? Photograph? It is either printed onto or applied to thickish paper. Has embossed stamp in center as shown. In picture lower right is a name. Can anyone make out the name? Is this the person in the portrait or the artist? Can anyone help with the age of this piece? Was the portrait done by Franz Hanfstaengl? Any idea who the portrait is of? I have included a picture of the back. Planks of wood with nails. Should I remove this from the frame to get a better look or will that hurt the value (if any) of this? Thanks.


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Posted - May 17 2008 :  23:25:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think it is a mass-produced reproduction after a photo, if the oik frame
is original it's most likely from the 1920-30s.
The stamp is from Germany, München. If you can find out who the man is, it
might be interesting for collectors, perhaps Wasbach know.
Always leave old paperworks in original frames if you want a good price.


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wasbach
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Germany
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Posted - May 18 2008 :  08:32:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A quick answer:
Franz Seraph Hanfstaengl was born in a small Bavarian town in 1804 and died in the Bavarian capital Munich in 1877. He was the eldest son of a farmer's family and soon become not only a famous artist but a successful entrepreneur. He was a photographer, painter, lithographer and printer. In 1834 he established his own publishing company, which still exists up to today. In 1835 he started publishing a series of 200 lithographs showing paintings of a famous art gallery collection in Dresden.
He developed and used different methods of photomechanical reproduction.
When he published art prints in his art edition, these prints were signed with his copyright – as yours is. To my opinion your print is something that we call Lichtdruck, some kind of photolithography.
More later.
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Wasbach
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jenndk
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Posted - May 18 2008 :  09:31:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wasbach~How old would you guess this is?
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wasbach
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Germany
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Posted - May 18 2008 :  10:04:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd guess after 1919.
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Wasbach
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jenndk
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Posted - May 19 2008 :  17:33:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone Recognize the person in the portrait or signature on this piece?
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wasbach
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Germany
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Posted - May 20 2008 :  03:29:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know the person in the portrait, sorry.
But I read claerly: "Der Vogel '09" ("The bird '09"),
but don't know what it means ...
kungzi??
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Wasbach
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jenndk
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Posted - May 20 2008 :  06:49:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
09? 1909??
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wasbach
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Germany
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Posted - May 20 2008 :  08:31:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"1909"
Yes, I think so
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Wasbach
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kungzi
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Germany
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Posted - May 21 2008 :  13:55:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,
sorry to say I can´t add very much to this topic. I would assume it is a photo after a painting reproduced as a Lichtdruck - as wasbach already stated -. What seems odd is that the artist writes "der" Vogel, which has the same connotation as the english "THE". THE BIRD - what does it mean?
Is there a bird out in the off we would have to imagine. No, I don´t think so. Is the man portrayed THE famous Mr.Vogel? Sorry, but the name doesn´t ring a bell. Perhaps it refers to a musical piece I am not aware of. At least the man portrayed has some vague resemblance to Richard Wagner.
Hanfstaengl allways chose very popular paintings for his reproductions. So it must be something which was well understood by the public in 1909 or shortly after.
Well, those are my ideas so far.
regards
kungzi
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wasbach
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Germany
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Posted - May 22 2008 :  03:17:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Could it be one of the attached?
One is Heinrich Heine, the other is “Dr. Eduard Vogel” (1829 - 1856), a German explorer.
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Wasbach



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jenndk
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Posted - Jun 04 2008 :  16:47:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone think ot could be Auguste Duc De Leuchtenberg Prince D'Eichstaett?
http://www.philographikon.com/portraitsm-r.html
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saintluc
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France
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Posted - Jun 04 2008 :  22:34:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is something of the poet Graf zu Stolberg.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Leopold_Graf_zu_Stolberg
Why not ask to the actual owner of Hanfstaengl :
http://www.blanc-kunstverlag.de/online_e_.php3
they still have several pieces of the old catalog online

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Posted - Jun 07 2008 :  07:33:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jenndk, it seems you have the name of the person; Friedrich Leopold. Not much doubt about that according to Saintluc links, here we see Fredrich few years older.
I think your picture is interesting for few collectors only.


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jenndk
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Posted - Jul 26 2008 :  23:34:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have found out that this is a portrait of famous German composer, Felix Mendelssohn. I know someone had said that this is a photolithograph. What is that? Would this be a photo or a drawing?
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Posted - Jul 27 2008 :  00:03:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But how did Felix Mendelssohn get a longer nose, new heirstyle and bigger eyes?
To me it still looks like a reproduction. I might be wrong if so you will cash
at least $50 or perhaps more if your friend find out that it is the first plastic operation ever made



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formfinearts
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Canada
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Posted - Jul 27 2008 :  01:23:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would suggest that it is a picture of Chopin .



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jenndk
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Posted - Jul 27 2008 :  17:38:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is what made me think it was Mendelssohn:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Portrait-Mendelssohn-by-Franz-Hanfstaengl-Engraving-NR_W0QQitemZ260263295899QQihZ016QQcategoryZ360QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Posted - Jul 27 2008 :  21:40:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, the Ebay photo looks like the man - I got my picture from here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Mendelssohn_Bartholdy.jpg
I don't who is wrong the Ebay seller or Wikimedia but I think it's
two different men.
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jenndk
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Posted - Jul 28 2008 :  11:21:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not sure either but the Ebay posting did mention that on their piece was written F. Mendelssohn. I will have to do further research.
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bluemlein
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Posted - Jul 28 2008 :  12:02:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.andysmusic.com/Musica/Docs/Items/A_Mendelssohn_1.html - all the information about this image.
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Posted - Jul 28 2008 :  12:25:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So strange two different people not even looks like brothers, but now we perhaps have a clue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Mendelssohn

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jenndk
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Posted - Jul 29 2008 :  22:12:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was wondering about this piece. What is photolithography? As I had said. it looks like a photograph but also like a drawing.
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Posted - Jul 29 2008 :  22:30:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you search in Google they have lot of websites with information.
Good luck.
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