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n/a
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Posted - Nov 26 2008 :  09:55:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello from France
Found this old oil on canvas dimensions 46 x 36 cm on a flea market . near my place in the west of France After research it represents " la montagne Sainte Baume " near Aix en Provence ( 15 km from la montagne Sainte Victoire ) and it could be dated from end of XIX cent or beginning of XX cent . Any idea of the painter ? May be Cézanne ? some written informations behind on the canvas a name " mlle grandperret Rennes "and partially rubbed the title of the painting " la sainte Baume " the dimensions and the name of Bernheim Paris . The grandperret family is originated from Besancon in the french departement Doubs as the familiy Bernheim whose eminent member alexandre moved to Paris in the XIX centto open the famous Gallery Bernheim .
yr comments will be appreciated
best rgds



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pushaun
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Posted - Dec 07 2008 :  19:30:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It appears to resemble the work of Paul Cezanne. The brushtrokes, the tone value sequence, the hue etc. are very similar to Cezanne.
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pushaun
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Posted - Dec 09 2008 :  17:08:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Below is a reference of one Cezanne's work.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/01/0502hot.html

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pushaun
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Posted - Dec 10 2008 :  19:19:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Look at the reference!
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bluemlein
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Posted - Dec 11 2008 :  11:24:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and how many thousands of artists copy or copied cezanne? it seems we have been around this block before.
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bluemlein
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Posted - Dec 12 2008 :  12:36:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you know that i did not say yours is either fake or a copy.

but one has to keep in mind that any valuable artist (even some one wouldn't include in that group) will be copied - by students, sunday painters etc etc - or faked for the express purpose of ripping someone off.

you are also aware that - if you want to get the painting authenticated - it is going to cost money for an expert opinion. that is how experts make their living, and their word is accepted because their word carries weight. we are not "the" experts on cezanne here and any opinion we offer you will be worthless when it comes to the crunch.

let's say you put it in an auction. "this is a cezanne, three hundred eightytwo members of the art forum say so" is not going to work. but "m dauberville has authenticated his painting and here is the 35-page report" will be meaningful.

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TLWilliams
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 13 2008 :  12:16:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I rarely get involved in these sort of posts because they inevitably lead to large arguments. However, being one of the few people (probably in the world) to have seen the verso of Cezanne's Bathers in the National Gallery, London, I can say that the stretcher and canvas are not the same.

I also regard Cezanne as one of the top three painters to have ever graced this earth, and I do not feel that this is his work, but that of an amateur.

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pushaun
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Posted - Dec 13 2008 :  16:09:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a watercolor executed by very famous American artist and I brought it to a specialist at Bonham's Auction House for potential consignment. The specialist examined the work and said; it was not a work by the artist. I was devastated because I did a lot of research on the work and I knew the authorship is right. Two moths later, I want to Christies Auction House with the watercolor and they love it. The expert authentic the work and it sold at Christies for 75,000 USD. You must continue to research this work and continue to believe what you have already known about the work. It took the owner of Infanta Marguerita by Manet 35 years to authenticate the work. Many specialists and many experts resisted the painting for 35years now it's authenticated and it's priceless. CONTINUE TO RESEARCH THE WORK!

Edited by - pushaun on Dec 13 2008 16:12:44
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Impasto
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USA
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Posted - Dec 14 2008 :  03:20:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pushaun

I had a watercolor executed by very famous American artist and I brought it to a specialist at Bonham's Auction House for potential consignment. The specialist examined the work and said; it was not a work by the artist. I was devastated because I did a lot of research on the work and I knew the authorship is right. Two moths later, I want to Christies Auction House with the watercolor and they love it. The expert authentic the work and it sold at Christies for 75,000 USD. You must continue to research this work and continue to believe what you have already known about the work. It took the owner of Infanta Marguerita by Manet 35 years to authenticate the work. Many specialists and many experts resisted the painting for 35years now it's authenticated and it's priceless. CONTINUE TO RESEARCH THE WORK!




The real advice should be to truly educate yourself. You've got to be smarter than the work of art you're concentrating your interests on -- you've got to be able to read and decipher it in an intelligent way.

It's too easy for a person to be sucked into a desire for something to be a priceless original that they can't see the forest for the trees. It's blind ambition, or fraud. My only advice is to use your head and to study. Pursuing a fruitless journey to authenticate a fake is both a waste of your time and possibly your resources -- particularly in this instance when the piece in questions so clearly does not ascend to the level of the proposed master.

-Chad W.

Edited by - Impasto on Dec 15 2008 07:57:31
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Impasto
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USA
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Posted - Dec 14 2008 :  06:29:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If this is by Cezanne, he was teleported a few decades beyond his death date and also had an out of body experience, being possessed by a far more amateur painter's ghost.

Stranger things probably have not happened.

-Chad W.


Edited by - Impasto on Dec 15 2008 07:58:11
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ZenZen
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 14 2008 :  09:57:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You may find this article of interest:

http://www.artfakes.dk/genuine.htm

Regards,
ZenZen

P.S. I thought I would add that I am not an expert in CĂ©zanne, I just thought you may find the article of interest.

Edited by - ZenZen on Dec 14 2008 10:04:48
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TLWilliams
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United Kingdom
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Posted - Dec 14 2008 :  19:33:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is why I don't bother with these posts....!!

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YAHOO
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Italy
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Posted - Feb 23 2020 :  07:59:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Have you an answer about this painting?
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